Working with Demons and Witches
Working with Demons and Witches, Conversations with Ocean, is the podcast where the workplace gets weird and sometimes hilarious!
Hosted by Ocean, each episode dives into wild stories spotlighting the moments when bosses, coworkers, and entire organizations act less like professionals… and more like demons, witches, and assorted creatures of chaos.
But here’s the twist: every story comes with insights on how to survive, thrive, and maybe even laugh your way through it...because yes, you can make it out OK. Listeners, or ”The Collective”, can submit workplace stories through SpeakPipe (link coming soon). Share your tale, and you might just hear it conjured up on the show!
Episodes

Feb 20, 2026
Feb 20, 2026
34 min
Ocean breaks down the controversy around an EEOC message inviting white men to file discrimination claims, explains the legal baseline that Title VII protects everyone, and reviews key cases and the ongoing EEOC v. Nike enforcement action.The episode balances legal analysis, workplace examples, and practical tips for designing DEI that survives legal scrutiny while acknowledging historical inequities.

Feb 13, 2026
Feb 13, 2026
34 min
Ocean examines the intersection of medicine, race, and gender by centering the experiences of Black women physicians from pioneer Dr. Meta Christy to contemporary leaders like Dr. Fatima Stanford. The episode mixes personal stories, data on underrepresentation, and accounts of microaggressions and institutional gatekeeping.
Through history, analysis, and practical advice, the show argues for systems that no longer demand Black women be superhuman and invites listeners to share their perspectives.

Feb 6, 2026
Feb 6, 2026
25 min
Ocean returns to Hannah Dreier’s reporting on migrant children working night shifts in slaughterhouses, reading personal accounts and explaining the legal and moral issues surrounding child labor in the U.S.
Through stories of young workers like Emilio and Marcus, Ocean reflects on how the series changed her perspective and urges listeners to speak up, protect children, and imagine a fairer future.

Jan 30, 2026
Jan 30, 2026
49 min
In Episode 3, Season 2, Ocean explores what rights minors actually have as workers, how state laws (like Colorado’s) create troubling exceptions for seasonal and agricultural work, and why collective bargaining and enforcement often fail young employees.
The episode centers on investigative reporting about migrant children working dangerous night shifts in slaughterhouses, the legal loopholes and enforcement gaps that enable exploitation, and the need for stronger protections and worker power. Episode 4 continues the deep dive.

Jan 23, 2026
Jan 23, 2026
30 min
Ocean examines the growing movement to relax child labor protections, reading lawmakers’ and industry statements and tracing state and federal proposals like the Teens Act.
The episode contrasts supporters’ claims about work experience and staffing needs with critics’ concerns about education, safety, and exploitation, and explains how these changes could reshape young people’s lives and rights.

Jan 16, 2026
Jan 16, 2026
48 min
This episode introduces "The Legalized Child," a three-part series examining how child labor has been normalized and in some places expanded through law and policy in the United States.Host Ocean reviews federal and state rules, recent enforcement data and high-profile investigations, and previews the series' next episodes on policymaking, accountability, and who benefits from loosening child labor protections.

Jan 2, 2026
Jan 2, 2026
30 min
Ocean examines three workplace horror stories, secret replacements that weaponize trust, a grieving top performer shunned by colleagues, and the cruel practice of shadow onboarding, then breaks down the legal, ethical, and cultural risks each reveals.
Through PCE WINS analysis and Demon & Witches metaphors, the episode highlights how secrecy and silence corrode dignity and morale, and offers practical perspective on accountability, compassion, and courageous conversations.

Dec 26, 2025
Dec 26, 2025
30 min
Episode 9 unpacks a long conversation between Stephen Bartlett and Tristan Harris warning that AI is not just a tool but a structural power shift that can replace human labor, judgment, and institutional memory without guardrails.
The episode explores the ethical, legal, and HR implications, mass displacement of entry-level roles, lack of enforceable constraints, and the need for AI impact assessments, human-in-the-loop rules, and liability attachments.
It balances technical detail with emotional stakes: grief over lost stewardship, a call for agency over doom, and practical policy steps to govern AI responsibly rather than reject technological progress.

Dec 19, 2025
Dec 19, 2025
27 min
This episode dives into a scandal at Campbell’s where a vice president allegedly disparaged the company’s soup, claimed it contained “bioengineered” chicken, and admitted he no longer eats the product. An employee recorded the remarks, reported them to HR, was later fired, and has now sued for retaliation and emotional distress.
Ocean unpacks the fallout: executive misconduct, HR mishandling, whistleblower protections, and brand risk. Practical takeaways include the need for prompt, documented investigations, protecting reporters, and holding leaders to higher standards to prevent PR, legal, and cultural crises.

Dec 12, 2025
Dec 12, 2025
30 min
Ocean walks through Episode 7’s anonymous Virginia case where a manager’s repeated gaslighting, racial remarks, ignored disability accommodations, and pattern of complaints may amount to constructive discharge. PCE WINS provides a legal overview comparing Virginia’s standards with federal laws like the ADA, explaining objective vs. subjective proof and why documentation and prior employer notice matter.
The episode offers practical steps: document incidents, report through HR, preserve accommodation requests, and consult an employment attorney, and uses demon-and-witch metaphors to frame the emotional impact. Resources mentioned include PCE WINS for legal guidance and the podcast’s Patreon for further support.





