Working with Demons and Witches
Working with Demons and Witches, Conversations with Ocean, is the podcast where the workplace gets weird and sometimes hilarious!
Hosted by Ocean, each episode dives into wild stories spotlighting the moments when bosses, coworkers, and entire organizations act less like professionals… and more like demons, witches, and assorted creatures of chaos.
But here’s the twist: every story comes with insights on how to survive, thrive, and maybe even laugh your way through it...because yes, you can make it out OK. Listeners, or ”The Collective”, can submit workplace stories through SpeakPipe (link coming soon). Share your tale, and you might just hear it conjured up on the show!
Episodes

May 15, 2026
May 15, 2026
25 min
Season 3, Episode 5 explores the death of 20-year-old Amazon worker Caes Grusbeck, examining how low regulatory penalties, production pressure, and unsafe workplace design contributed to a preventable fatality.
Ocean combines factual reporting, legal context about Indiana's OSHA penalty caps, HR analysis, and symbolic 'demons and witches' archetypes to unpack systemic failures and offer practical safety takeaways.
The episode urges accountability, stronger engineering controls, and a culture where workers can speak up without fear, while offering listeners resources and guidance for staying safe at work.

May 8, 2026
May 8, 2026
11 sec
Hey, Keepers. This week has been pretty hectic, so I'm going to take a day off, and I will catch up with you next week.Take care. Thanks.

May 1, 2026
May 1, 2026
26 min
In this episode of Working with Demons and Witches, Ocean responds to a listener facing threats from a boss who insists a younger worker familiar with AI will replace them. The episode explores the limits of AI as a tool, the legal and cultural risks of managers blaming employees for AI errors, and practical steps employers should take—training, clear expectations, and compassionate leadership. Listeners get a mix of legal analysis, metaphors about workplace demons and witches, a pop quiz on compliance, and survival tips for navigating AI-related job anxiety.

Apr 24, 2026
Apr 24, 2026
33 min
Season 3, Episode 3 follows a 25-year-old financial aid worker who faces escalating harassment after disclosing PTSD and anxiety accommodations: a trainer turned bully, a supervisor's secret partner, and a friend-turned-manager conspire to block a reasonable desk change and monitor her every move.The episode outlines the employee's documentation and HR interactions, highlights legal risks like disability discrimination and retaliation, and offers practical advice on escalating accommodations, protecting mental health, and seeking a transfer or legal help.

Apr 17, 2026
Apr 17, 2026
35 min
In Season 3, Episode 2, workplace coach Ocean walks through a story where a 16-year-old employee is terrified by a vague text from a senior manager and later discovers a coworker set him up by sharing the manager’s ex-wife’s photo in a group chat. The episode examines how jokes and unclear communication can harm young employees.
Ocean and PCE WINS break down the incident with legal and leadership lenses, highlighting the importance of compassionate communication, dignity for minors at work, and clear boundaries to prevent power misuse and workplace humiliation.

Apr 10, 2026
Apr 10, 2026
32 min
In Season 3, Episode 1 of Working with Demons and Witches Ocean explores Nairobi County’s new menstrual leave policy, its implications for workplace dignity, and reactions from the public. The episode examines historical and global context, analyzes cultural and policy barriers, and offers practical reflections on leadership, gender equity, and how workplaces can better support bodily realities.

Mar 20, 2026
Mar 20, 2026
36 min
Ocean reads a listener’s account of moving 17 hours for a dream job only to face persistent harassment, public humiliation, exclusion, and managerial inaction that has caused severe physical and mental health decline.
The episode walks through legal concepts like intentional and negligent infliction of emotional distress and constructive discharge, and offers practical steps: document incidents, seek medical and mental-health support, report to HR, build an exit strategy, and consider legal counsel if needed.
Ocean closes with metaphor-driven analysis (demons and witches) about power and silence, resources from PCE Wins, and an invitation to share stories for season three.

Mar 13, 2026
Mar 13, 2026
29 min
Ocean breaks down listener Sushi Girl 122’s experience with a bullying senior who’s protected by management, exploring how workplace favoritism can damage mental health.
The episode offers practical steps, like document incidents, follow the chain of command, involve HR, set firm boundaries, seek support, and consider transfer or new opportunities, all while emphasizing that employee well‑being must come first.

Mar 6, 2026
Mar 6, 2026
18 min
Ocean examines the January 2025 mid-air collision near Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport, detailing how layered systemic failures (airspace design, ignored warnings, reliance on "see and avoid," technology gaps, and understaffing) aligned to cause the crash.
The episode challenges quick blame of individuals (“witch hunts”), arguing for careful investigation and systemic reform to prevent future tragedies while honoring those lost.

Feb 27, 2026
Feb 27, 2026
35 min
Ocean examines the courtroom clash after DHS attorney Julie Le’s emotional plea about exhaustion and the constitutional crisis when detainees remain jailed despite court orders. The episode explains due process, habeas corpus, and the separation of powers while tracing how systemic failures shift responsibility onto individual lawyers.
Through legal analysis and workplace metaphors, the episode explores moral injury, institutional accountability, and what reforms are needed to protect liberty and prevent exhaustion from becoming a substitute for justice.





